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November 28, 2008

Cold-Blooded Murder in India; Outrage, and Sorrow

Mumbai_rabbi_600_1  How is it possible that in this 21st century, we must be witness to the sort of butchery that took the lives of a young Brooklyn rabbi and his wife, Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg, left their infant orphaned, and led to the deaths of three others - just a few of the 150 victims - in Mumbai? These people were innocents, on a mission to bring Judaism to those Jews who happened to live or be passing through a foreign, Hindu city.

On a day of Thanksgiving, when those of us lucky enough to live in the freedom and security of this country, eating our fill and enjoying  the comfort of family, this atrocity was taking place.

 This act shocks the conscience. It demands our outrage, and our sorrow.  

Here is the latest from the New York Times.

Comments

Sid

Maybe it's worth noting that a LOT more people died, almost all of them non-Jewish. Let's not make this about faith. It's just senseless violence against human beings.

Beth

Uh, actually, "faith" is the motivating force behind these attacks. Extremist adherents of a particular unnamed religion took it upon themselves to sneak heavily armed into the city and slaughter defenseless human beings of all stripes. And motivated by the anti-Semitic hatred taught by their particular unnamed religion, they specifically targeted a Jewish centre in Mumbai and killed these poor people there as well.

How totally bizarre that Sid consciously chooses to ignore the facts in front of his face. Personally, the day we have no religion is a day the human race will be reborn.

Antonio Simeone

And yet when hundreds of people are brutally murdered every day in places like Nigeria (over 300 reported just today compared to 195 in Mumbai),Darfur etc. and faith isn't always to blame,where are the cries of outrage for these lost lives? It's a tragedy what has happened in India but would it have been as tragic in the eyes of the rest of the world if "westerners" hadn't been amongst the murdered?..if you answer yes to that then your either a fool or a liar!
My heart goes out to all the familys who lost loved ones,not just in Mumbai but all around the world

Antonio Simeone

And yet when hundreds of people are brutally murdered every day in places like Nigeria (over 300 reported just today compared to 195 in Mumbai),Darfur etc. and faith isn't always to blame,where are the cries of outrage for these lost lives? It's a tragedy what has happened in India but would it have been as tragic in the eyes of the rest of the world if "westerners" hadn't been amongst the murdered?..if you answer yes to that then your either a fool or a liar!
My heart goes out to all the familys who lost loved ones,not just in Mumbai but all around the world

Beth

Newsflash -- I'm a Westerner, and probably you are too. When terrorists target people like us, it means more to me than if they target others. That doesn't mean I don't care about all human beings who are their victims, it just means the act hits closer to home.

Hey, I'll go one further. If nutjobs shoot up a bus and kill my family, I'm going to care even more than that. Oh wait, that makes me a colonialist bigot.

It's not a crime to care about your own. Ditch the self-hate.

Mary

Beth:

What makes you think that you are entitled to jump to conclusions about the motives behind these attacks and attack another commenter in your hateful comments? If you had bothered to read the New York Times piece, you would have seen that even the victims' loved ones have not jumped to any conclusions at this time.

Antonio Simeone

"When terrorists target people like us, it means more to me than if they target others."

Wow Beth...really??? What an amazing bigoted statement...i can't remember the last time i heard the phrase "people like us" without picturing a burning cross in the background. The shear loathing i suddenly have for you for actually saying that you think your countrymens lives are worth more than the number of locals that were also killed in this horrific act,defies description. I pity you and ask you not to reply to me because i'd hate to get myself banned for using the language that i would like to use to describe someone like you.

Beth

What an astonishing jump in logic. I did not say their lives are worth more, not once. I said that "it means more to me" because they are people like me -- thus, I can relate more.

By your own logic, everyone in the West is bigoted because they don't place the same importance on news stories of slaughters in the Third World over the stampeding of a Wal-Mart clerk right here at home.

I sense that you are hungry to pick a fight and have a lot of prejudices of your own. I'll pass on taking the bait.

PS Sharon, I don't think I'm being anything but civil here.

Beth

Mary, I'm afraid if you were reading primary news sources in India you'd come to a different conclusion. These "militants" were radical Islamists. The Indian authorities have one of them in custody. Whether they were put up to their foul deeds by the Pakistani government or someone else, who knows, may reveal itself soon. These weren't Mormons, my friend, or irate Super Bowl fans.

And stop calling people bigots.

Antonio Simeone

So if a Devout Christian group attacks an abortion clinic in, let's say, Albuquerque then according to you, that is a terrorist attack, because they are doing it on religious grounds? Gitmo is gunna get really cramped really quickly if that's the case.

Plus i do have a few prejudices...who doesn't. i personally can't stand the intolerant and the ignorant...so i guess i've got you coming both ways!

Beth

Never said that, sorry to disappoint you. I just said that faith of a particular kind was the motivating force behind the Mumbai attacks, not that religious intent = terrorism.

If a Christian group sets off a bomb in a shopping mall, that's terrorism i.e. the goal is to incite terror with indiscriminate slaughter.

Sid

Beth: Calm down.
Seriously, take a deep breath.
And get a hug from whoever is sitting closest to you.

There was more that motivated those terrorists than anti-Semitism. Foreigners at the hotels were targeted. What % of people who died in the attacks were Jewish? Look at THOSE facts and then re-examine the headline.

If I were a casual reader, what would I conclude after reading this post? It could have easily been more accurate.

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